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    How's this for a W-4?

    W-4 Yo Mama.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Howard View Post
    How's this for a W-4?

    W-4 Yo Mama.pdf
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    Yes! Making this fun (or Chinese?) is the spice of life.

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    JohnnyCash
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    I'm sure we've brought this up before; but another way the IRS recognizes redeeming lawful money is ... its glaring omission from the Frivolous Position list:
    http://www.irs.gov/irb/2010-17_IRB/ar13.html

    I just saw more confirmation of this in the form of an IRS letter. Here the IRS responds to a request for abatement of a frivolous penalty: http://losthorizons.com/Documents/sFrivLimitNotice.JPG


    The civil penalty is only for frivolous positions and demanding lawful money isn't one of them. It is proper to not consider lawful money "income" under the Revenue Acts, and to take a Form 1040 line 21 Lawful Money deduction.

    BTW, I've just entered my 7th year as a successful NON-taxpayer.
    Last edited by JohnnyCash; 01-06-14 at 02:09 AM.

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    Anthony Joseph
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    greetings Susie,

    is claiming "exempt", by way of demanding and redeeming lawful money [see Title 12 U.S.C. ยง411 as your law in this regard], a frivolous position?

    by: Signature

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    JohnnyCash
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    I don't know.

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    I have heard if you finally get to look at your IRS file, all that is in it is what you put there.

    So it may be realistic, the perception that you actually testify against yourself as your own collection agent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I have heard if you finally get to look at your IRS file, all that is in it is what you put there.

    So it may be realistic, the perception that you actually testify against yourself as your own collection agent.
    What else can there be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I have heard if you finally get to look at your IRS file, all that is in it is what you put there.

    So it may be realistic, the perception that you actually testify against yourself as your own collection agent.
    Per the principles of "evidence law", attorneys are not allowed to generate, create or fabricate evidence, they are 'evidence police' (perhaps that is why the use of crack addict informants came to be more prominent--attorneys can't generate evidence but they can pay someone to lie). BTW, it is possible to put in a document: "Authority to use any information contained in this document against me is not granted." Even being read 'Miranda rights' constitutes attempt at formation of contract to allow them to use evidence against you. I'm all for lawfulness and civility but the truth is, the legal professions and law enforcement professions have gotten dirty in the past decade.

    Since attorneys are not allowed to fabricate evidence, they must use investigators to do that. Peace officers can double up as investigators. Remember: peaces officer and notaries can administer oaths.

    Re: the IRS
    The folks at the IRS tend to be rather reasonable. They do their jobs and work with what you give them. I wouldn't count them as enemies. But I wouldn't suggest handing anyone rope to hang you with.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    So it may be realistic, the perception that you actually testify against yourself as your own collection agent.
    For the perplexed, there is a song...



    ...it doesn't have to be that way, does it? Its ok to make honest returns. But "my own enemy" mindset is when you hate the IRS and not realize you might be the IRS.
    Last edited by allodial; 10-29-15 at 03:10 AM.
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